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Antonio Silva vs. Fabricio Werdum
Round 1
Werdum throws a head kick that misses. Silva lands a leg kick. Silva lands a left hook. Werdum pushes forward but eats some punches, and Silva throws him to the ground. Werdum is hanging on, and Silva lands a big punch. Werdum is able to grab a leg and Silva lets him stand. Werdum tries to clinch and Silva tags him again. Werdum throws a head kick and clinches. Silva pushes him against the cage, then flings Werdum to the ground and lets him stand. Werdum lands a square 1-2. Werdum lands another head kick and they both exchange punches that land. Silva lands a body kick, then clinches and pushes Werdum against the cage. Silva lands an overhand elbow. Werdum shoots and is stuffed.
Madness scores the round 10-9 Silva.
Round 2
They exchange punches and Silva drops Werdum with a left hook. Silva tries to pass to side mount, but Werdum monkey rolls away. Werdum gets hold of Silva, then flips him and gains side mount. Silva is able to scramble away and get to his feet, but eats a knee on the way up. Werdum lands two inside leg kicks. Silva clinches double unders and pushes Werdum against the cage. Werdum pummels and reverses position and holds Silva against the cage. The ref breaks them up. Silva clinches and pushes Werdum up against the cage again, but Werdum reverses. Werdum works a single leg and takes Silva down to half guard, and passes to side mount. Werdum spins around and catches an ankle lock in the scramble, but loses it and Silva gets side mound.
Madness scores the round 10-9 Werdum
Round 3
They exchange leg kicks, and Werdum lands another. Silva grabs a Thai clinch, but misses the knee. They clinch and Silva is against the cage. Silva slips as they break, but gets back to his feet. Werdum grabs a single leg, then transitions to a sweep. Silva gives up his back, and Werdum stays in side ride and lands punches. Silva crawls to the fence, then works to his fet. Silva starts landing punches, and Werdum clinches and lands a knee. Werdum works for a single leg and Silva spins away, and Werdum clinchs and hits another knee. Werdum eats a punch as he tries for a single leg and they break apart. Werdum clinches and hits a knee, then drives Silva to the ground. Silva stays turtled up then spins to his back. Werdum is in half guard and lands hammer fists.
Madness scores the fight 10-9 Werdum
Madness scores the fight 29-28 Werdum
All three judges score the fight 29-28 for Werdum.
FABRICIO WERDUM WINS VIA UNANIMOUS DECISION (29-28, 29-28, 29-28)
Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokodjou
Round 1
Mousasi lands a quick jab. Sokodjou lands a leg kick. Mousasi lands a glancing leg kick. Both fighters exchange body kicks. Mousasi throws another head kick. Sokodjou hits an uppercut. Mousasi lands a good leg kick. Sokodjou lands a good left hook, but gets hit below the belt. Mousasi throws an inside leg kick that hits below the belt again. Sokodjou throws a left hand and lands a leg kick. Sokodjou shoots for a single leg but Mousasi defends. Sokodjou throws a 1-2 and lands a leg kick. Mousasi lands a body kick and lands a combination, but Sokodjou takes Mousasi down with a judo throw and lands in half guard. Mousasi reverses position to side mount, and lands a knee to the side. Sokodjou works his way up, and uses another judo throw to take Mousasi down. Sokodjou a guillotine standing, works to overhooks, and throws Mousasi down. Mousasi lands an upkick, then trips Sokodjou and jumps up to guard.
Madness scores the round 10-9 Sokodjou
Round 2
Mousasi pushes forward and presses Sokodjou against the cage. Mousasi hits an overhand right and a knee to the body. Mousasi starts throwing knees to the leg. Mousasi starts landing punches in number, then re-clinches. Mousasi tries for a takedown, but Sokodjou reverses and lands in half guard. Mousasi is working a figure four and rolls Sokodjou. After a scramble, Mousasi is in guard. Mousasi works ground and pound. Mousasi is landing hard punches, Sokodjou looks very uncomfortable. MOUSASI CONTINUES TO LAND PUNCHES AND ITS OVER.
GEGARD MOUSASI WINS VIA TKO AT 3:43 OF ROUND 2
Jason “Mayhem” Miller vs. Jake Shields
Round 1
Shields shoots a double leg and takes Miller down against the cage. Miller gives up his back, Shields puts hooks in and flattens him out. Miller roles to his back and gives up his mount. Miller bumps and gets to his feet. Shields shoots for another double leg and sucks Miller’s legs out. Miller is sitting against the cage, Shields is sitting on his legs in a low mount. Miller is able to walk up, then double legs Shields and takes him down to the guard. Miller tries to throw a lunging punch, misses, and they scramble to the feet. Miller has Shield’s back, takes Shields down, and turns to side mount.
Madness scores the round 10-9 Shields
Round 2
Miller lands a left hook, then clinches. Shields appears to be bleeding as they are clinched against the cage. Miller has the back and tries to suck him down, but Shields is able to reverse and scramble. Shields is on top in a modified side mount, with Miller kind of sitting in his lap. Shields passes to mount, but Miller put his feet on the cage and bumps him off. Shields pounces back on, and takes Miller’s back. He transitions to mount, then back to back mount with Miller on his knees. Miller rolls, and Shields rotates around to the same modified side mount. Shields has Miller stretched out, then rolls to a normal side mount. Shields transitions to mount, and Miller scoots up against the fence and establishes half guard. Shields passes to mound, then back mount. Miller tries to scramble, and is able to roll Shields over. Miller’s leg is stuck in between Shield’s leg, and is in real danger of an ankle lock. Miller is able to suck Shields close, and comes around to side mount.
Madness scores the round 10-9 Shields
Round 3
Miller gets double unders and takes Shields down to side mount. Shields turns to his knees, then works a single leg and takes Miller down and passes to side mount. Shields tries to pass to mount, but Miller establishes half guard. Shields passes to mount and throws punches, and Miller gives up his back. Miller turtles up, and Shields keeps his hooks in. Miller rolls, and goes to guard, then they scramble and stand. Miller tries for a spinning back fist, then clinches. The ref stops them to cut tape off of Miller’s glove and retape it. The ref reclinches them, and Shields takes him down. Miller has his back against the cage, and tries to turn Shields over. Shields takes his back, but Miler stands. Shields stays on him, and takes him don with a single leg, but Miller takes Shields’ back. Miller has a body triangle and works a rear naked. THE BELL SAVES SHIELDS, MILLER WAS CLOSE TO FINISHING THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE SHIELDS ALMOST WENT OUT.
Madness scores the round 10-9 Shields
Round 4
Shields takes Miller down, and Miller sits against the cage. Shields is trying to suck Miller down, but Miller is able to keep up. The ref stands them up. Miller comes with energy and throws a running knee, but Shields takes him down and passes to side mount. Shields passes to mount again. Shields takes back as they lay on their sides. Shields pushes back to mount and lands a punch and Miller rolls and scrambles, but Shields takes the back. Miller monkey rolls and Shields takes side mount. Shields takes mount as the round ends.
Madness scores the round 10-9 Shields
Round 5
They exchange punches, and Shields clinches. Shields lands two knees to Miller’s head and takes Miller down. They scramble, and Shields has Miller’s back standing up. Shields is able to work Miller down and is in half guard. Shields passes to mount again. Miller gives up his back and Shields has a body triangle. Shields lands several punches. Miller is able to roll out, but Shields takes him down to half guard. Miller works to his feet, but Shields takes Miller down again.
Madness scores the round 10-9 Shields
Madness scores the fight 50-45 Shields
The judges score the fight a unanimous decision for Jake Shields.
JAKE SHIELDS DEF. JASON “MAYHEM” MILLER BY UNANIMOUS DECISION
Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers
Round 1
Fedor throws two looping punches that miss. Fedor throws a punch and takes Rogers down. Rogers works his way up and pushes Fedor against the cage. Rogers has double unders. Fedor is bleeding from the bridge of his nose. Rogers throws knees the body, Fedor tries for a trip but Rogers steps back. FEDOR HITS A BIG LEFT HOOK AND TAKES ROGERS DOWN. Fedor is in half guard, Rogers hugs him tight. Rogers rolls him, and sits in guard. Rogers throws big punches and Fedor goes for an arm bar. Fedor scrambles to guard, then half guard. Fedor looks for an arm triangle, but Rogers re-establishes guard. Rogers kicks him away, and Fedor stands over him. Fedor throws a flying punch and lands in guard.
Madness scores the round 10-9 Fedor. Fedor is gushing blood out of the bridge of his nose.
Round 2
Rogers lunges a jab that misses. Fedor throws a big looping hook that misses. Fedor throws two looping punches and clinches, and Rogers throw a knee. FEDOR LANDS HOOKS IN NUMBERS and Rogers clinches. Fedor lands a knee to the body, and Rogers returns one. FEDOR HITS A HUGE OVERHAND RIGHT THAT DROPS ROGERS. HE POUNCES AND THIS ONE IS OVER. ROGERS GOT ROCKED!
FEDOR EMELIANENKO DEF. BRETT ROGERS VIA TKO AT 1:48 OF ROUND 2
well done fedor.
Fedor weathered the storm, then Rogers got KTFO. Fedor, once again beating a fighter at his own game.
Oh man good event tonight. I dont know about a rematch for rogers. He fought hard but fedor reads you like a book. He feels your technique so to speak then finds a hole (rogers drops his hands). He managed to find it twice the second finishing the fight. Good game plan by rogers and nice ground defense. Roger was simply out classed. He needs to “earn” anthor fight with fedor. Who may be the champ of strikeforce and wamma in the future.
Also I think fedor should fight werdum then overeem. Oh and shields should fight hendo if he comes to strikeforce. Then hendo can fight GM at 205! Man hendo unsigned makes for some epic match ups depending where he goes.
punisher,i think it’s time also gegard mosasi fought a former champion.he’s whupping up and cummers now let see what he has against a veteran.i would like to see hendo vs sheilds as they have the same style and it would be a good watch.
Yea GM would be in for a battle. Same with shields. I think hendo got upset because he hasent been offered a title shot at A silva. I kept hearing hendo vs marquart but i dont agree with that. He just beat the former champ and KOed the top contender. Hell I wouldent mind seeing hendo take fedor in a catch weight bout
Anyone else think that strikeforce is protecting fedor? I personally think that the fight was stopped pretty fast. One punch on the ground? I would’ve like to see Brett take a few more just to see how reacted. Just my opinion.
I don’t think he was all that hurt. It seemed like they were looking for an excuse to stop it. The other fights were great, a lot of back and forth action. Sokodjou(?) did pretty good against Mousasi, but was just outclassed. Miller just waited to much and too long, but I think he could’ve done better than that. I think they need to tighten a few things up and beef up their roster and they could give ufc some stiff competetion. Their camera work and announcing needs improvement but other than that they did great. I just didn’t like seeing the refs ass while Shields was getting slammed. That and Sham-wow being asked to score the round and saying he didn’t know! WTF? Just wing it at the very least! The other schmoes sounded uneducated about mma and not even close to being on the same level as Joe & Goldie. Minor things, but still it’s like have a paper cut, doesn’t get in the way but it annoys the shit outta you.
he cracked him hard to put rogers down but i do think he should have been given 2 more strikes to get out.ive seen mcarthy stop alot of fights fast like that in the ufc so i think it’s just mcarthy.maybe he trained dan mirgliotta how to ref.dan has about 20 real early stoppages to his credit by now.cisco as for the shit ref cam,ive had some real bad views i tell you,the guy is getting ground and pounded on the floor and the ref is standing in the way for like 30 seconds and i miss the shots,i dont want to see the ref’s bald nut,i want to see the guy getting punched in the face.
This fight proves to me that fedor would lose to guys in the ufc
I wanna see Fedor fight a top ranked heavyweight…i wasn’t impressed with him here…he did what he better have done…Rogers had a good showing…he’ll be back, not against Fedor but he’ll be a force in Strikeforce
Rogers hit Fedor as hard as anyone ever has, in the four shot barrage he unleashed during the first round, when he had Fedor down on the ground. The couple of good jabs Rogers landed early had obvious power, cutting Emelianenko’s nose and drawing copious amounts of blood, but it was pretty clear that Fedor’s composure was not affected, nor was he in any real trouble, even after absorbing that four shot combination on his back.
Hitting Rogers with a straight lead right like he did, I think it showed Fedor’s somewhat deceptive handspeed, and demonstrated the power of perfectly instinctive mechanics that he has always had. He’s not the biggest or the strongest, but he does the most with what he does have.
My opinion, Brett Rogers did an amazing job for someone who has his level of experience, which is really not very deep in MMA. He was outclassed in every aspect, but there can only be a small handful of guys who wouldn’t be against Fedor. Call me all the unflattering names some of you guys apply to his fans, but I’m sorry, this guy is the best, very likely the best who’s ever been, and until someone puts Emelianenko down, he’s the uncrowned world champion.
Cisco, I watched the knockout about ten times in a row, and I saw the knockdown shot, then Fedor swung and missed, then hit Rogers hard one more time, then hit him a pretty good glancing blow, and Rogers was covering up, both hands on his head, rolling away from the punches, not defending himself at all. John McCarthy is the most experienced MMA ref currently active, and he saved Rogers needless injury and further possible concussion by stopping Fedor from pounding on him any more. Good stoppage, in my humble opinion.
Thought all the fights were good, competitive, and entertaining. Mousasi is the real deal, and has good things ahead of him. Silva has nothing to be ashamed of, fought tough, but got outpointed by a determined fighter in Werdum, who won’t last any longer against Emelianenko than Overeem will. I know a lot of guys prefer a slugger over a wrestler, but Shields posed a technical challenge Miller could not overcome, and I thought Jake did a great job against a really game, strong fighter.
Just watched the full fight,Rogers came and battled but was overcome by a calm and defiant Fedor. He pushed him as much as he could which isn’t enough. He was doing ok’ish on the feet but as soon as he was on the ground he was like a fish outta water,passing his guard whenever he wanted. His game need to evolve or he’s gonna go down the same road a Tank,big ass slugger who gets punished on the deck!!!!
Rage…how did that fight prove to you that Fedor would lose to guys in the UFC? The only thing it proved is that Fedor can hit hard as fuck. That and he can get ot of any situiation you can put him in. Sure, guys in the UFC can take him down…then what? Brock stopping Frank Mir and Randy Couture on the ground is a far cry from stopping Fedor on the ground. Let’s not forget Frank Mir is the same guy who got the shit kicked out of him by Ian Freeman. This fight only went further towards showing me that Fedor can whoop anybody, anytime. Hell, Brett Rogers has twice as many fights as Lesnar.
Also, Mu Shin, I must say that I don’t thin Rogers ever actually hit Fedor that hard. The jab at the beginning was the most significant of the fight, though it did apparently break Fedor’s nose, but didn;t phase him in the least. The man’s composure in the heat of battle is unmatched in the sport. Show me a guy like Fedor who can take shots like that and keep moving forward without even changing his facial expression…you can’t. Also, when Rogers was on top of Fedor trying to GnP him, he missed with all those punches. Like one or two of the punches glanced off his forehead, but nothing landed anywhere near flush, despite what Frank Shamrock would have had you believe.
As for Gegard Mousasi not fighting veterans…that’s just not true. Up-and-comers? Really? Did he not just steamroll Babalu in like a minute? Sure Sokoudjou may not be the most experienced or skilled fighter out there right now, but he does have wins over Lil Nog and Arona. Not to mention Mousasi submitted Denis Kang and Melvin Manhoef, who could KO anybody at any second of any fight no matter what you say about him. He also beat Jacare Souza with one of the craziest and most underrated KOs in the history of MMA, and let’s not ignore the fact that Jacare is one of the very best grapplers in the world and among the best BJJ practitioners ever. That plus New Years Eve 2008, he picked up a first-round KO of Musashi under K1 rules, no small feat for any MMA fighter. And he’s only 24. I mean at that age, he should be fighting mainly up-and-comers, but he’s actually fighting really skilled veterans…and beating them decisively.
Raging Bullshit still up to his old hateraide sipping.. Man you are Dana whites personal nutsack washer… Fedor would DESTROY Brock and anyone else in the UFC.. Overeem 2.0 would do the same.. I think Big Nog will beat Brock when they fight… UFC TUF kids are the worst fans… They are brainwashed zombies.. Think for yourself man…
Haha Overeem 2.0, that’s so true. I like the nickname Ubereem as well. Seriously though, people are still talking like Alistair Overeem is still a factor in Strikeforce’s heavyweight division. Is he really? He won the belt in 2007 and hasn;t been back since. He and his management claim his contract never says he actually has to defend the belt. Now with Fedor in the picture, I don;t think Overeem is ever coming back. Hell, if Overeem was going to come back, don;t you think he would have done it by now? Yeah he was booked for a fight what, three months ago in Strikeforce? Had a hand injury and had to pull out. Oh wait…he’s had some two MMA fights and one K1 fight since then…hmmm. Fedor would put Overeem on his back and smash him within a minute of doing so I think. Werdum has already beaten Overeem once, and I wouldn;t be surprised if he could do it again.
Oh I know Fedor would Smash him haha.. Ubereem was suppose to fight a few months ago but he got his hand cut beating some guy up in a bar fight.. Yeah he fought overseas where there is no or at least a lax drug screening process.. Could he pass a drug test? IDK.. I’m not saying he does roids but if you look at the guy that fought at 205 and the guy he is now.. It’s shocking at how swole he got.. I’m a fan though.. The guys a beast now!!!!
Red where you been all this time i was waiting for you to come around and start shit talkin again. What i meant by my last post is that if a guy like carwin got fedor to the ground and landed some of his GNP then fedor would be done. I watched the fight 3 times and i will admit that fedor wins because he has excellent composure and timing with his strikes
I don’t know Rage. We’ve never seen Fedor get knocked out, and was only really rocked once, as everyone knows. However, was he eve really rocked then? He avoided the rest of Fujita’s punches, then quickly submitted him.
I ain’t trying to hate on fedor, but come on one punch on the ground? I would understand if he was out cold or stiffened up for a second, but he didn’t. What if he would’ve pulled guard or something once fedor jumped on him? Know what I mean? I just think that he should’ve been given more of a chance. I know big johns one of the best, but IMO it was a bit fast. Too me it came off as strikeforce trying to protect their money machine. He’s the best best in the world give him someone worthy, he should’ve fought Bigfoot or werdum instead and Rogers should’ve fought the other one of those two. Fedor shoulda gone to the major leagues not the minor league where he has to fight second rate guys. I’m sorry but if he was in the ufc he’d be fighting the best right away and you can sure as shit bet he’d be given the title fight after one win. Then from there on it’d be nothing but the best they got getting in line for a shot. Just my opinion and you can call me a ufc nuthugger if you want, but the truth is the ufc IS the best mma organiztion around. The one that brought this sport to where it is now and where almost every fighter aspires to get to. Ask Mousasi. Sorry for the rant!!
Agree 100% that the UFC is the big leagues, and that they continue to engage and develop the vast majority of the best and brightest in the sport. No, they don’t have every talented fighter under contract, as we saw Saturday night with Fedor, Mousasi and Shields, but they have the deepest roster in every weight class, as well as dominant champions in every weight class. The fact that I think Emelianenko might very well overcome Brock Lesnar doesn’t mean I don’t think Brock isn’t also a dynamic and developing star in MMA.
Also agree that Fedor’s composure under fire is the element that raises him head and shoulders above the rest. He never seems to get emotionally animated, never seems to panic or express any kind of feelings at all related to his combat experience in the ring, until he gives that soft shy smile when they raise his arm in victory.
Had a bizarre experience with this fight. As some of you might remember I’m a working musician, and the CBS broadcast was on in the bar where I was playing Saturday night. Kind of bummed me out, as I was really distracted while I was trying to work, but when I looked up at the big flat screen and caught the sequence where Rogers had Fedor on his back throwing down some punches, I thought I saw pretty clearly that Fedor’s head bounced pretty hard off the canvas at least a couple of times during that barrage, and watching the fight later on the computer multiple times, I would swear Rogers hit him hard at least four times. Yes, Rogers missed most of those shots, but I saw four good ones to the head, and yet Fedor never seemed to waver, never lost focus, never looked to me like he was in danger of going out, and even rolled into a submission attempt as the sequence developed. Plain and simple; Fedor is the best, and until someone puts his lights out, that’s what I’ll continue to believe.
Glad we have such good debate going again here at Madness, some familiar names coming back around. Hope we can continue to agree to disagree and throw this stuff around as we get more and better fights to discuss, whatever organization promotes them.
haha,shit ive missed your smack talking redcoat.i also agree with you redcoat on all your points,overeem would wreck alot of the ufc hw as would fedor.why does everyone think brock lesnar is the terminator?i really dont get it,he beat mir who has already beat brock himself and a small cotoure.i dont see brock getting past nog either.that big black guy off tuf 10 would beat brock and im sure valasques will also beat him plus i feel brock is ducking carwin.ive also missed tito’s pre fight trash talk,i watched an interview of him about forrest the other day and he craciks me up,if he beats forrest i do think chucks comeback match should be against tito ortiz.
Don’t disagree with you there mushin, he the #1 hw in the world. That’s why I think he should be fighting guys with more than a years worth of experience and guys who have fought quality opponents and not a bunch of “fat palookas”, to quote you. Mousasi reminds me of the way Fedor acts inside the ring, calm and composed with no emotion. I really hope Hendo gets a shot at him to really test him.
You know what Red, I’d take Big Nog too…the experience factor. Fedor is a great fighter, no doubt…truth is, I really wanna see more of him in the UFC, that’s it plain and simple.
There’s guys in the UFC who can take Fedor down. However, there is no one in the UFC that can do anything to Fedor once they get him there. Fedor is a beast off his back, plus he’s really good at escaping from that position. Plus, the punches that Brock put Mir and Randy have no relevance in a Fedor discussion. He’s a much better boxer than Randy or Mir, and especially Brock. Not to mention he keeps beating the shit out of guys who are supposedly better strikers than him. Did you see the hook he put Rogers down with? Bad Stoppage? Really? Rogers went limp as he fell, then what happened? Did he try to get up? No. Did he try and get into a guard position? No. He laid there and barely tried to put his hands over his head as Fedor came down on him. If Rogers had tried to do anything, then it would have been a bad stoppage…but he just laid there and when the fight got stopped he rolled over and took a minute or two to even get up to his knees, let alone to stand up.
I gotta disagree kimura, he didn’t go limp. He was knocked on his ass and he was dazed, but he wasn’t completely out. Your right, he didn’t pull guard right away, but we never got the chance to see if maybe he could’ve or if indeed he was done for. I’m gonna say I’m leaning for the latter, BUT it woulda been nice to know 100% that he was indeed done. One punch that put him on his ass and one punch on the ground is a little too quick for me. If he woulda gone limp even for a split second I’d be fine with it, but he didn’t. He covered up. For all we know he recovers quickly and one punch is not enough to determine whether he was done or not. Also, he didn’t get up right away because big John had him stay on the ground. If you listen to the audio you can hear him. That being said, maybe big John saw something that the cameras couldn’t pick up like his eyes rolling back or something, but a few more shots to put the exclamation point on it would have been better. I don’t wanna see the guy get hurt or anything, just a definitive ending with no what ifs.
Kimura yes fujita is the only one to ever supposidly rock fedor with one punch but what everyone is forgeting about the main difference between the ufc and strikeforce is elbows on the ground. Fedor has a good chin on him but he does bleed very easy and could be TKO’d or possibly KO’d by someone who has octagon experience, great control of movement, and non stop flurry with his elbows yes im talking about red’s favorite fighter tito ortiz. Many will argue becasue thats what the madness crew does and its are nature to get heated about our favorite fighters(me especially) so let the great debate’s start here and now. And bring back the fuckin forums already!!!
Rage that doesn’t make sense. Elbows on the ground can make him bleed, yes. However, Bleeding alone doesn’t lead to a TKO. He bleeds, yes. He gets little cuts though. Just like we’ve never seen him get knocked out or submitted, we’ve never seen him with a cut anywhere NEAR bad enough to stop the fight and never in a spot where it could impair his vision. Plus, no one has ever kept him on his back long enough to KO him with punches. If you can’t stop him with full-on punches from the top, you definatly can;t stop him with elbow strikes from the top. Plus, he comes from a combat sambo background, which allows elow strikes on the ground, so he’s no stranger there.
And Cisco, when Fedor’s fist collided with Roger’s face, the big man went limp and woke up when he hit the ground. He put his hands in front of his face if that’s what you want to call covering up. Once he hit the ground, he barely moved and Fedor hit him three times on the ground before the ref jumped in.
I’ll take another look, but I could swear it was one punch. Also, when I say limp I mean like chuck did against page, you that split second where his hands dropped and eyes rolled back. I didn’t see that from Rogers, I saw him get rocked, hit the floor and react. Not all that great, but he did. Like I said I’ll take another look, but I don’t think I’ll see anything different.
rogers will learn from this fight,he has a bright future.i would love to see a rogers kimbo fight.overeem would beat rogers also.the 3 top guys in strikeforce go fedor number 1,werdum num 2,overeem number 3.
Daley, I agree with your Strikeforce heavyweight ranking right there. Fedor is obviously number one, and Werdum is number two because he was impressive in overcoming Silva this weekend, and because he already holds a submission victory against AListair Overeem. The only thing I don;t agree with is Overeem being number three. He would be up there if he actually fought in Strikeforce…but it’s been damn near three years since he won the belt and he hasn’t come back. Now, apparently it doesn’t say anywhere in his Strikeforce contract that he has to defend his belt, so a lot of people say this situation isn’t his fault. However, I say this makes it MORE his fault than the organization’s. In this scenario, it’s on Overeem and his management to make sure he defends that belt and he hasn’t. If he wants to be called the real champion, which is definately debatable at this point, then he needs to get back here and defend thte belt. You can blame K1, you can blame steroids, you can blame a hand injury, but the fact of the matter is that he’s taken on several opponents in little-known promotions against opponents who are mediocre at best. I’m going to come out and say this: if you are winning fights consecutively with standing guillotines, then it’s time for a step up in your level of competition. In my eyes, Overeem is no longer the Strikeforce heavyweight champion, and if this were a Zuffa-run promotion, he would have been stripped of that belt a year ago or more.
They where headgear in sambo and that makes a world of difference as to how much damage and bleeding he can take
Please Rage the headgear doesn’t cover the parts of the face that gush blood when elbows cut you open, except maybe the forehead. You can’t just say that because Fedor bleeds that he will automatically lose because of elbows on the ground. I’m with ylu guys in saying that that combined with a guy like Brock do pose a huge challenge for him, but given his past accomplishments, it’s Fedor I give the edge to. Don;t forget that if Fedor somehow gets top position, he can do the same thing. Also, he’s proven that he can punch as hard as just about anybody in the division, and Brock isn’t much of a technical boxer, so I would expect him to take some of Fedor’s punches. Then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if he shot in for an immediate takedown either.
yes he does need to defend the belt or be stripped of it,with strikeforce getting new heavyweights im sure overeem will have to defend or give up the belt.i think he may be juicing it up on steroids because strikforce is getting real big and dana said he wanted him to his face on a ufc blog so for him not to do that and go with either big promotion tells me he is on roids because he aint scared to fight the best thats for sure.fedor vs werdum for the strikeforce belt if he doesnt defend it in 09.
I was talking about carwin this whole time not brock. Im sure that if brock got fedor in the same position that he beat mir in(im in no way comparing frank mirs jitz to fedor because there’s absolutly no comparison) the outcome would be similar because fedor has fought good wrestlers but not in the octagon and thats what brock would do right away no boxing just a takedown against the cage and then GNP until either the ref stopped it or fedor catches a armbar
As far as I’m concerned this fight showed me that Fedor really isn’t as good as people think, it didn’t make me think he is that good. If a guy like Rogers, who’s basically a newbie trying to make a name for himself can do that well against Fedor, then pro’s in the UFC would beat him. He was in trouble a few trimes with Rogers. Fedor is a smart fighter with great timing, which has made him what he is today. A guy like Rogers shouldn’t even be in the ring with a person with Fedors record. It’s a minor league fuighting organization and the fact that Rogers even challenged Fedor and took him into the second round shows me exactly what Fedors got. As long as he stays out of the UFC he will never in my opinion be the best pound for pound fighter in the world. Strikeforce is like minor league baseball, and the UFC is the pro’s. Fedor out skills Carwined, but Carwin could drop him with a single punch, Brock could take him down and pound on him, Fedor could not deal with Brock wresling and size. Even Gonzaga, Mir, and Kongo could challenge Fodor, I’m not even to sure that Fedor could be Nog again. There’s light heavy weights in the UFC that could probably wipe the floor with Fedor – Machida, Showgun, Anderson, hell I think style wise Tito would be a great match, he has the perfect style to beat someone like Fedor. I’de love to see Fedor get in the ring with real fighters, see how good he is against Brock, Machida, or Anderson. It would be the end of the talk, he should probably stay there so he can keep winning.
brock is no pro,he is greener than rogers.
Your right experience wise in mma Brock is no pro, but if you can fight you can fight, and Brock does well. Experience wise as a wrestler he has just as much as any other wrestler in mma if not more. We all know sometimes wrestling is all it takes to have a great start in a cage. He would smash Rogers. It’s called natural ability.
There’s better wrestlers in MMA than Brick by far. guys like Cain Velasquez are definatley more dynamic on the mat than Brock, who is a power double-leg wrestler first and foremost.
Anyway, I think it’s funny that just because Fedor got hit with a punch or two menas he isn’t that good. He’s been winning nonstop for how long now? Seriously, if he’s not your favorite fighter that’s cool, he’s not my favorite. However, you can’t hate on the greatest and most consistent champion in the history of the sport for being what he is. Also, how can you say “pros” in the UFC would beat him when 1. He’s probably beaten half of the veterans in the UFC right now 2. guy like Cain Velasquez and Brock Lesnar have half the experience of a guy like Brett Rogers, and Cain obviously can’t punch like Rogers.
The difference between rogers and velasquez and lesnar is those two have yet to have a easy fight in there ufc career’s, the same thing could not be said for rogers who just now got with a semi good promotion
kimura it is very true what you say,ive heard non-stop that fedor got beat up by rogers and arlovski and he would get smashed in the ufc well im with you kimura that he is in a fight and you may well get hurt but he won both by ko,that is enough said really and he has beat 3 quality fighters in sylvia,arlovski and rogers in all devastating fashion not to mention his previous wins in pride.still the best in the world.i understand peoples frustrations in that they want to see him in the ufc but he has beaten 3 former ufc champions in randelman,sylvia,arlovski and non of them went to a decision.
Sylvia a quality opponent? c’mon daley please tell me you don’t believe that. It’s one thing to mention his pride days but ever since then he hasn’t had a top quality fight
The last fight that he had against a top level guy was cro cop back in 05 or whenver it was
sylvia,arlovski,rogers will give carwin,lesnar and valsquez a beating.
I’m no Tim Sylvia fan, but to call him a mediocre opponent just doesn’t make sense. Is he one of the best heavyweights of all time? Hell no. But at the time of his fight with Fedor he was a top ten heavyweight, some might even say top five. He’s a former UFC heavyweight champion. Rage aren’t you thte one who said Fedor needs to get in the UFC to prove he’s the best? Tim was whippin ass in the UFC not all that long ago, but that didn’t save him from the beatdown Fedor brought.
that is what i was saying kimura,arlovski and sylvia were running the ufc hw division not too long ago and fedor smashed them both.im even more shocked at brock being touted as the man fedor has to beat to prove he is the best,this has to be a joke right?
OMG, do you have an idea how much mma has changed since the days when those guys were on top? There’s a reason their not in the UFC anymore, cause they fucking suck. They get beat down on the regular these days. Fedor did beat a few former UFC fighters, yes one’s that were no longer welcome in the UFC or that can’t keep up with mma anymore and get beat down now. The only credible wins that Fedor has is Nog and possibly Cro Cop, who by the way sucks balls now to, but maybe we could consider him good at the time they fought. Point is mma isn’t what it used to be, it has advanced big time. These fighters today eat, sleep, and live mma, it’s a career now, it’s what they do. Guys like Cain and Brock may not have the experience that some have, but have pear natural ability and it’s just comes to them, they were bron to fight. Whoever siad Silvia, Rogers or Andrea would give a beat to Brock or Cain is out their fucking minds, those guys would get smashed by Brock or Cain. That fact that Rogers challenged Fedor shows me his weakness, he has a hard time with guys like that, he’de have a real hard time with the UFC fighters. I’ll never say Fedor isn’t a good fighter, but I’m sick of hearing hes the best fighter in the world. He will never be until he gets in the ring with the best, the UFC fighters of today. I don’t give a fuck about organizations, the fact is the uFc has the best fighter sin the world. Strikeforce and Affliction are low rent organizations. Pretty much every mma fighter in the world wants to be in the UFC, no one wants to go elsewhere, that would be like going backwards in your career. Any UFC fighter would kick ass in strikeforce, cause the competition isn’t as good. It’s been proven look at Werdum, he sucked in the UFC, now he’s winning. If Henderson goes to Strikeforce I guarantee could win the middle weight belt and the light heavy weight belt. That’s why Fedor wins all the time.
On top of everything that’s been said is 1 simple fact…like him or not ( I personally don’t like Brock Lesnar) Brock has been getting better and better with each fight. Randy gave him a run in the first round but then Brock turned out the lights. Brock would KO and Bully around a bigger Brett Rogers, Kill Werdum and punish Giamt Silva, who by the way looked nothing like a GIANT without the juice. Cain is the future, IMO, and I believe him to the next big thing, not Brock…his time is now but Cain is the future. I’m really looking forward to the Carwin fight, when it happens. Fedor is a massive striker but it’s like A-Rod and the Yankees fans…you’re no one of us type attitude until u win the wolrd series…Fedor will not be viewed by the majority of the fight community, truly…no bullshit, as the best of the best of the heavyweights until he continues his domminance in the uFC…period.
omg sparks i have heard it all now,crop cop not a credible win ehhh,put your madness black belt down and put on a white belt.
and take down your brock lesnar cum stained poster and put up brocks mma record.if cro cop,coleman,herring,randleman,sylvia,arlovski aint great wins for fedor then neither are brocks wins against cotoure who has lost his last 3,yes he did lose to vera,herring who fedor already beat and frank mir who to be fair aint great either but he made brock tap that mat,o he was beating his face in but everone beats mir’s face in until he subs them and min soo kim who can only beat his little brother up and goes in the ring to paint his gi red.im sorry sparks your talking about the guys in wrestling he beat,hulk hogan,the roc,the hardy boys damn he is the best if he beat those guys.
There’s one thing I agree with JT on, Sylvia and Arlovski, although at the time were considered top ten, clearly they no longer were. They couldn’t hack it in the ufc anymore, plain and simple and it’s evident by the way their careers have gone since that they were in a rapid downhill slide when the met up with Fedor. I won’t take anything away from his Pride days, he wiped out the division, but I agree he hasn’t fought the best since then. Like JC said he needs to prove himself in the UFC. He is the #1 hw in the world, no one has come along and beaten him to prove otherwise, but if he keeps ducking the ufc then people will continue to question the legitamcy of that claim. People already do and let’s be honest, Overeem, Werdum? Who else is left? They’re supposed to sign a couple of hw’s, but will it really make that much of a difference when MOST of the best fighters are in the ufc? Fedor in the ufc needs to happen plain and simple.
Cro Cop was cridible at the time, not anymore. Whens the last time he did shit? You guys keep talking about fights Fedor had years ago, that means nothing anymore. Mma is not what it used to be. I’m not even a big Brock fan dude, I just have respect for his natural ability, the guy can kick some ass and he just has the tools it takes, he gets better all the time and will be a force for years. The fights he’s had since coming in our a lot tuffer then the ones Fedors had the last few years. Your right Randy is kinda on his way out, age is finally catching up, but Randy is always tuff for anyone anytime. It was a true test for Brock to take out a legend so early in his career. Thank you Cisco I think your getting the point.
i would like to see fedor in the ufc but it’s good that there is another company with some decent hw in strikeforce,they cant all be in the ufc.he has 2 good test left in strikeforce against werdum and overeem and whoever may rise through those ranks of strikeforce and who they bring in.my point is sparks is that i think overeem,werdum are as tough a challenge as anyone the ufc can throw at him.if you put valasquez vs overeem i couldnt pick a winner and if you put carwin vs werdum i would pick werdum so there is 2 top hw out of the ufc that the strikeforce guys could beat or make it a close fight.fedor has beaten ufc’s other top hw in nog the only ones left are junior dos santos and brock lesnar.
Well I don’t believe those guys could beat Cain or Carwin. If Werdum could beat anyone in the UFC, he’de still be in the UFC. He got kicked to the curb, cause he was getting his ass handed to him most the time. Overeem is a good challenge, but I don’t believe as good of a challenge as most the UFC fighters. He has more to beat in the UFC then just Dos Santos and Brock, also Cain, Carwin, Mir, Gonzaga, and Kongo. All these fighters would be major test for Fedor, cause I believe they are all better then any fighter at Strikeforce.
werdum getting his ass kicked in the ufc,are you crazy!!!
Sparks, you’re kidding right? Werdum got caught and now he sucks in the UFC? He was top five before the Dos Santos fight. Plus, the only other guy he lost to in the UFC was Arlovski, who you said sucks. Those were the only two fights he lost in the UFC. And you say MMA has changed so much since Fedor’s days in PRIDE, but one thing is the same: Fedor is winning. You think Mir, Gonzaga, and Kongo are better than any heavyweights in Strikeforce? Are you aware that Werdum has beaten Gonzaga TWICE!!??
And Randy was beating Brock until he got caught, Brock couldn’t do that to Fedor. Fedor would destroy Randy, and Fedor is also stronger than Randy, so if Randy can hang with Brock grappling, Fedor can do it better. And I love that you say the UFC heavyweights of today are the best when the guys you are talking about have barely 30 fights between them, while Fedor has as many wins as they do fights put together.
I don’t personally know all that much about Werdum, I know he was releast from the UFC and the reason for that is typically cause they aren’t doing well. The only times I’ve seen him fight he lost. Maybe Werdum did beat Gonzaga at one point, when was that, a long time ago I’m sure, I doubt he’de do it again. Point is there’s a ton of ex UFC fighters, who have all been releast or kicked out of the UFC and most have them have came to Strikeforce or Affliction and done well. Fuck Bobby Southworth couldn’t even do well on the ultimate fighter, couldn’t even make it to the UFC and that fucking guy had the damn belt at Strikeforce until another better ex UFC fighter, Babula came and kicked his ass and took it. And yes Andrea fucking sucks now, has for awhile, he sucks so bad right now he got fucking let go from Strikeforce of all places. I wouldn’t say Randy was winnign against Brock, it was a close fight either way. Randy is fucking Randy, I wouldn’t ever say Fedor is better or stronger then Randy, Randy is a beast, old or not. Not to mention Brock has gotten a million times better every single fight, he’ll be ever better a couple years from now. Yes the UFC fighters of today are the best, I didn’t say they had the most experience, it doesn’t take experience to be able to kick ass. If you got it you got it. I’m not gonna argue bout this forever. You think what you wanna think and I’ll think what I wanna think. I would love for Fedor to come to the UFC and put an end to all the talk. If he came over and beat any of the top fighters I’de admit I was wrong in a second. Like I said I do believe Fedor is a great fighter, I just don’t believe he’s the best in the world, he’de have to show a lot more fo rme to ever say that shit.
Sparks, Andrei didn’t even have a multi-fight contract with Strikeforce. He got the one-fight deal, and he’s probably gonna be back. And Werdum beat Gonzaga at UFC 80, not that long ago at all, and that was the SECOND time they fought. Honestly, Werdum is potentially a really bad match-up for Brock. Sure Brock can hold him down and beat on him, but Werdum is a much better BJJ player than Frank Mir ever was, former BJJ world champ and ADCC world champ. You never know with the wreslter vs BJJ fights, the BJJ guy can pull it out any time, especially when it’s a guy as good as Werdum.
As fr Fedor, it’s the young guys in the UFC who have something to prove…not Fedor. Fedor has proved to be almost unbeatable over the last ten years. Everybody who stepped to him got fucked up, even when everybody thought they were gonna win. And don’t give me that shit about guys like Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski not being credible opponents either. Both were legit top ten, Andrei was widely considered the numbere 2 guy, and the same people talkng shit about him and Sylvia now were the ones listing the reasons they would beat Fedor. So Fedor got punched in the face. Big fuckin deal. Brett Rogers is a tough dude, put up a good fight, but still got KTFO. Brock hasn’t really been punched in the face yet, we’ll see how he takes it. Oh and who has Brock even beaten? Heath Herring by three round decision…Fedor finished Heath in the first. Randy? Frank Mir? Ian Freeman, Pe de Pano, and Brandon Vera all thrashed Mir. Same gos for guys like Cain and Carwin, they’re obviously impressive, but they are just now starting to fight real contenders. Fedor’s been doing it since before they started fighting and is still only 32 or 33.
kimura i agree on both or your post’s mainly due to it being all the truth.sparks must be having magic mushroom’s in his soup or something.gonzaga and werdum fought in jungle fight in 2006 or sumert and the again in january 2008,shit what a very long time ago sparks.arlovski was winning when he left the ufc,he wanted to go to affliction and ufc offered him a contract but affliction offered him more.that is a fact sparky.werdum cas the number 1 contender for the blt then brock got the shot instead and werdum wasnt happy and told everyone what he though of the ufc’s decision publicly like hendo has about belfort and look what has happened to him.arlovski was ranked 2nd or 3rd when fedor fought him,sylvia was ranked the same and then when barnett was suppose to fedor barnett was ranked number 2 also.fedor is fighting the best and kimura put it best when he said fedor has nothing to prove but brock,mir have to i feel.mir is always up and down,brock has a record that your next door neighbour has or his son.